OS:Magnetic Electron Pump
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Inventor set forth a solid state (no moving parts) electromagnetic device that he thought put out four times as much energy as was required to run it. He presented it to PESWiki as a possible open source project that would be simple to build from readily-available, inexpensive materials.
- "I call this device a Magnetic Electron Pump or MEP. It can be somewhat compared to pumping oil from the ground in that the pump doesn't use as much energy as the energy in the oil that is pumped out. In this case I am pumping a permanent magnet field (the oil) to deliver more energy than it takes to pump it out." -- 1in2out (inventor's pseudonym)
It turns out, though, that due to measurement issues and math errors, he agrees that the system is not what he had thought it was. more
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Official Website
We offer this PESWiki page as the primary location of this Magnetic Electron Pump open source project, in concert with the inventor.
Latest Developments
Oct. 8, 2007
Errors in the math are pointed out, and the inventor relents that he does not have what he thought he had.
Oct. 4, 2007
The inventor approaches PESWiki about open sourcing his overunity prototype designs.
Patent
As far as 1in2out can determine, this device is patentable due to no prior art, but he is not seeking a patent but is giving this IP away in a pure open open source manner.
Summary
On Oct. 4-6, 2007 "1in2out" wrote to Sterling D. Allan:
"I am an electronic engineer, and I have designed a number of products for a number of companies including my own which I have run for the past 20 years.
"Back in the 80’s I had the idea for, and designed a device to produce twice the energy it consumed. Being busy, I never got around to building it and seeing if it worked. As I am semiretired now and find a little more time on my hands, I decided to build this thing and see if it would work. Well it did, in fact it works exceptionally well. After some fine tuning, I had it producing a COP of 4. The input was 8 watts, and the output was 32.8 watts.
"It is very easy to build and get working, especially if you have some background in electronics. I built the first prototype in one day, using inexpensive and easy to find parts. There is nothing exotic about it, except maybe its looks, including how it works. No magic, ether, or zero-point energy theories are needed to explain it.
"It can be used stand-alone or in conjunction with other products and devices. All aspects of this device are scaleable up or down and can be calculated using standard electrical formulas.
"I would like to open source this device for the benefit of everyone -- no patents, no royalties, no licensing; anyone and everyone can take it and run with it including companies wishing to build, market and sell derivatives.
"As far as I can tell it is patentable. I have only been able to locate one device that is anywhere near to my design, and it is not patented.
"I make no claims of nor show this device powering itself, or of being fed back upon itself. I offer it only as a way to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels and to produce more energy-efficient electrical products. It remains for others to determine if it can run itself."
Instructions
Parts List
- Soft steel welding rods [how many? what gauge? what length?]
- speaker magnets
- five ferrite magnets: 3 9/16" dia; 1 5/16" hole; 3/8" thick
- copper wire [what guage?, how much?]
- electronics [elaborate?]
- capacitors [elaborate]
Instruments
- Chronetics Inc, PG-11A; Mt. Vernon, N.Y., Pulse Generator
Schematic and Explanation Doc
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Photos
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Operation
"I have run this device in resonant mode as well as pulsed mode. It works quite well either way. But so far I have gotten a higher COP out of the pulsed mode." --MEPman
Measurement
"Input is tougher to calculate, being a pulse. Output, though being rectified and filtered, is just straight measurement of voltage and current." --MEPman
Replications
will be posted here as they emerge
Theory
Operational Theory of the Magnetic Electron Pump
by 1in2out
Less energy is needed to bounce the permanent magnet (PM) field Out of the core than what the field can deliver in energy. Magnetic field lines prefer soft steel 7000 to 1 over air, so at quiescence, most PM field lines are flowing through the steel core. When the primary is pulsed, the core now becomes an electromagnet with the polarity the same as the permanent magnet which reinforces the PM field instead of destroying it. (This will work in the opposite direction as well; forcing more field lines into the core but it would then buck the PM fieid and eventually demagnetize it.) Field lines now flow out of the core instead of into it, (direction is reversed), so the PM field must now expand out through the air inducing an output pulse in the secondary winding. The input pulse and the expanding PM field are in phase with each other therefore additive as they pass to the output. A small amount of energy, turning the core into an electromagnet, will push the PM field out and in doing so will transformer [?] through to the output. This smaller amount of energy is buttressed by the larger PM field which has been expelled from the core. As the PM field expands through the device it induces even more energy to the output than just the energy of the pulse required to push the field out. The large combined field then collapses back to its quiescent state and passes back through the secondary, inducing another output pulse of the same magnitude but opposite polarity. This second pulse out is created by the steel core and inductance and it is free energy as we have already taken the input pulse back out through transformer action. 1 pulse in 2 pulses out. You can picture this thing as breathing in and out very efficiently and rapidly as the PM field expands and contracts transferring power to the output coils.
Profiles
Company: not yet
Once this design is ready for making kits or later for going commercial, a company will be formed to coordinate that element. Meanwhile, PES Network, Inc., which owns PESWiki will manage the business needs of the project.
Inventor: anon
The inventor prefers to remain anonymous to the public in this project. He goes by "1in2out".
Coverage
In the News
not yet
Other Coverage
not yet
Comments
Forum
- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pes_MEP/ - Official group forum for those wishing to replicate the technology, discuss the theory, improve on the design, and even commercialize the instructions, kits, and final applications
- Discussion page here at PESWiki
New Energy Congress Comments
The following comments come from members of the New Energy Congress.
Measurement Suggestion
On Oct. 7, 2007, NEC member, Robert Indech, PhD PE wrote:
The design of this device appears to be that of a a 24-volt battery source energizing a pulse generator, feeding into a transformer ("magnetic electron pump"), whose output is then rectified and smoothed before being placed into a load. The input power can be measured by placing a low value sensing resistor where the fuse is indicated, monitoring the voltage across it, and integrating this voltage over time, multiplying by 24 and the resistnce value to get watts in. Watts out would require sensing both the voltage across and the current through a sample load, and then integrating over time. This measurement is relatively simple and, as the author is an electronics engineer, completely within his capabilities. I would be curious to see the results.
DC in versus DC out?
On Oct. 7, 2007, NEC member with 40+ years EE experience, Earl wrote:
The biggest red flag is not measuring DC in versus DC out, using a multi-pole low-pass filter on input and on output.
I get very nervous when seeing pulse measurements used to calculate COP.
It would be very simple for [1in2out] to put multi-pole low-pass filters on input and output so he could measure DC in versus DC out. Any Engineer can build a simple filter using 3 parallel capacitors in each leg, e.g. 10nF ceramic in parallel with 100nF ceramic in parallel with 100uF. I would suggest using three capacitor legs and two coils in each pi filter, for a total of 2 inductors and 9 capacitors in each filter. Capacitors, especially the ceramics should have short lead length. Inductors should not saturate. ONLY MEASURE DC.
Other Comments
Bad Math?
On Oct. 8, 2007, Linda Damiani wrote
Interesting, but looking at figure 1, we can see a large error in his calculation of input power. He shows an input pulse measured on a 0.01 ohm shunt and peaking at 0.3V. This is 30A.
Following the rest of the math, and giving him an advantage by calculating the area under the curve as if it were a linear ramp (50%), we have a pulsed power of 30A x 24V x 1/2 or 360W. Now he says the pulse duty factor is 12.4% giving a total average input power of 44.64W not 8W as he states!
In reality the figure would probably be more like 55W based on the exponentially-rising (>50% probably more like 63%) curve of the current waveform, which is clearly larger area under the curve than a linear ramp.
This looks like a simple case of bad math. I think he used a figure of 3A peak (off by 10X) then failed to reduce this based on less than full area under curve and then multiplied by 24V, getting 72W and then multiplied by .124 (12.4% duty cycle) to get his approximate 8W figure.
50+W input for 32.8W output is not so impressive when you add up the numbers correctly!
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Contact
email: 1in2out@pureenergysystems.com (mailto:1in2out@pureenergysystems.com?subject=Magnetic_Electron_Pump_project_at_PESWiki.com) - forwards to the inventor, who wishes to remain anonymous
See also PESWiki:Contact
See also
- Other Open Source Projects
- PESWiki main index
- PES Network Inc. (http://pureenergysystems.com)
