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- Gravity Motors > G Force Rotational machine demo video posted - Since 1993, an Armenian inventor has been demonstrating his patented machine that harnesses static gravitational energy to turn a 3 meter diameter wheel that turns a 300KVA electric generator. Just release the brake, and off it goes. Commercial version expected in about a year. (PESWiki; Jan. 4, 2008)
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Breathrough; but Expensive
On Jan. 5, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Sterling D. Allan wrote:
While this appears to be a monumental breakthrough, the complexity and size of the device will probably price this quite a bit above fossil-fuel-based energy generation. It will require significant maintenance, and it's very loud, but it does operate 24/7, which is better than solar, wind, and other nature-based renewables. The economy of scale may come in larger sizes, while smaller iterations will be almost useless. In ten years from now, as the effect is optimized and the size and components are simplified, it may begin competing in price.
Some Assembly Required
On Jan. 5, 2008, Chris wrote:
Wow!
I'd call it the SAR MACHINE: Some Assembly Required.
Videos Prove Nothing
On Jan. 5, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Eric Krieg wrote:
A couple reasons why I think we should be cautious of the gravity motor found at : http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:G_Force_Rotational_machine
First, were there any way to harness gravity, at least one of these over balanced wheels would have been validated in their pathetic 1000 years of failures. I think it's centuries past time to say, "I won't believe it till I (or some source I really trust) see it working in front of me. Consider a few warning bells that should go off with the statement, "This machine has been under development since 1967. The first working model was demonestrated in 1993. The machine has been tested by his government but not international testing organization.". Someone working on something for over 30 years shows a high probability that they are just tired of decades of life-sucking failure and simply out of delusion crossed the road from foolishness to fraud. If a working model was available in 1993, then they must be really stupid and selfish to keep it a secret for the past 15 years. Another thing with this device, EBM and the 5 story high PM failure I looked at - why do they have to make such huge big complicated things? Wouldn't a minimal size device be enough proof of concept to convince a company that specializes in mass production crank out millions for Wallmart? Listen, the hard part is getting real perpetual motion or over unity, the easy part would be just converting it to self run or to make a transportable minimal version to take on a world tour. I'm an engineer and stink at promotion and marketing kinds of stuff, but I guarantee you, if I had a real free energy device on Monday morning, by Tuesday, I would have engineer, skeptic and local media friends demanding I be heard, by Wednesday the Philadelphia TV stations would cover me, and by Friday I'd have network air time and you'd see my goofy grin on the next Time or Newsweek.
Again, these videos prove nothing, every week a new claimant with no proof but his word crawls out of the woodwork saying he has the real thing - just look in our past history, these claims of impossible things are a dime a dozen, lets learn to not get too excited by the latest one till we have the kind of extraordinary evidence demanded by such extraordinary claims. There are plenty exciting and TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE things to get excited about, like cheap solar cells, cheap high capacity batteries, lower temperature super conductors, waste to energy, cheap super insulators, cheap ways to harness wind, etc.
Gravity Motors Don't Work
On Jan. 6, 2008, New Energy Congress member, Eric Krieg wrote:
I have the greatest respect for Armenian people and feel bad that the Turks have covered up their genocidal holocaust against the Armenians. I agree when negotiating with people that it helps to be aware of their culture. But in the case of technology or science, culture doesn't enter into it; something works or it doesn't. The Frenchman I met with who spent 50 years working on PM wheels was a really nice and dedicated person - but I still believe he like hundreds of others have wasted their lives on something impossible.
Ken's example of the quest for flight is a good one. But the birds all around us show it to be theoretically possible and once real engineering and science was around, people knew it was a matter of better materials, a lighter power source and such. (the story I learned as a kid about the secret being the shape of the wing is a myth). It was not a matter of someone finding the right design - many different designs work when one has a good propulsion power system. In the case of over balanced wheels - they all fail. Even if one believes that some combination of wheels, ratchets, weights, etc could work, there have been so many false claims that we really should expect real evidence.
I think pretty much the same thing can be said for magnets and wires - according to the physics that got us cell phones, computers and space ships, you just can't come out ahead with magnets and wires. We should not get too excited about those claims either until their is really good evidence. We have already seen many perendev types say they have devices that would pass my $10,000 test - but they spin excuses when you ask for real evidence. It shouldn't be a big deal to get someone credible in their area to do such a test and openly publish it. I predict the EBM people will dodge chances to get at the truth for months to come.
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