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- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pes_hall/ - Yahoo!Group started on Aug. 1, 2007 to facilitate in the replicating, characterization, improvement, and development of Scott Hall's concepts into something practical.
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On Sept. 5, 2007, User:Renderingsanity wrote:
We need to see the other side of this gravity wheel. Showing just one side while it rotates leaves the possibility of a motor running the actual wheel.
Also isn't the wheel spinning a bit too fast for the balls to fall? I would have thought the centrifugal force would have pulled them to the outter edge of the wheel at those speeds. A few more videos of this should quell the debate one way or another. :)
Similar Model Didn't Work
Comment submitted on Sept. 5, 2007
It is my personal opinion that Scott Hall is toying with you. You already caught him in a fraudulent claim on the first two "gravity" motors, and I am surprised you would give him anymore press. Years ago, I built a model similar to his current design. It doesn't work. That one slows down faster than a normal flywheel. His film has the same problems as the Perendev film, that is, not showing the back side of the system where he obviously has a drive motor! I can assure you that in that design, the "center of gravity" stays on the side that retards rotation.
- Rebuttal
- Regarding Scott Hall, I don't think he is purposely hoaxing. I think he's 95% art teacher and 5% scientist. He just doesn't have a sense of how to test and present his material.
- Part of me can't help but wonder that the intuitive part of him (the Art teacher) could enable him to stumble onto something that really does work. He just might have a sixth sense about these things that tells him just how to orient the shafts, how heavy of metal balls to use, how many to use, etc. -- Sterling D. Allan (Sept. 5, 2007)
The same person as above (prefers anonymity) then responded:
As for Scott Hall. I think he IS purposely hoaxing and having a good time with it. The design was first shown on the second Chas Campbell video a few weeks ago and is NOT some ancient Indian design. As I told you, it does not turn by itself, and his film showing it starting and accelerating to high speed, without being able to see what is on the other side, IS a pre-meditated hoax.
You're a good man, Sterling, and your first inclination is to trust people. I consider that one of your strengths. But this guy has rolled two different wheels down a hill already, claiming "the floor is flat" when in fact, it was not. You and your model building friend are the ones who proved it.
In his current design, it is very easy to calculate where the "center of gravity" is at all times. In any of these systems, the location of the weights can lead to an optimistic hope, but the "center of gravity" analysis determines if the design works. I could show you on a piece of paper in 2 two minutes why it won't work. The process is simple arithmetic.
I have built more than 50 different "gravity motor" designs and know why each of them does not work because I built them, ran them, and studied what they DID do.
I think Scott is having fun. I think what Scott is doing is "entertainment", not news.
